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Date Posted: 12/1/08 5:53pm Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions - Date Edited: 12/1/08 5:54pm (1 edits total) Edited By: harpuah
I agree with Tim.

Really, the issue of the JC being overstaffed could easily be taken care of in this way. It's silly to have such a large amount of forums with very little traffic.

 

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 Date Posted: 12/1/08 6:23pm Subject: JC ideas and suggestions
While I don't necessarily disagree... why? What makes small, low traffic forums inherently bad or wrong? I'm not saying we ought not do that, but I'd like to hear a reason why other than "small = bad," or at least some elaboration on why small/low-traffic is a bad thing. happy

 

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Date Posted: 12/1/08 6:40pm Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
Keralys, we have been discussing this in depth for months.

 

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 Date Posted: 12/1/08 6:41pm Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
Master_Keralys posted:
While I don't necessarily disagree... why? What makes small, low traffic forums inherently bad or wrong? I'm not saying we ought not do that, but I'd like to hear a reason why other than "small = bad," or at least some elaboration on why small/low-traffic is a bad thing. happy


It's not necessarily bad. Just different, and much different than many of us long-time members have experienced through most of our time here.

 

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Date Posted: 12/1/08 6:46pm Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
Also, I never said Small = Bad. Actually, if you look at my posts on this page you'll see that I think consilidating would be a good idea. This place is huge... many many forums. Our userbase is no longer huge. I think making some changes to accomodate our much smaller userbase would help matters.

 

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 Date Posted: 12/1/08 6:59pm Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
I think the conversation originated with small forums and the size of mod squad, and the fact that a few small forums have mods that don't mod other places --- which leads to a larger mod squad having multiplied as they grew and branched off.

 

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Date Posted: 12/1/08 7:30pm Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
I get, and agree with, the idea that Mod Squad has grown too large, and we should really look at reducing the number of moderators overall.

I don't agree with the idea to start merging forums back into JCC. I have no doubt that our userbase would dwindle further if we do this. There are people who come here specifically for Amph, Senate, and to a lesser degree, the Arena. They would not come here anymore if they had to wade through the JCC to get to those threads. Sure, the JCC would pick up some of those users and some of those threads, and some of those posts. But, in no way would they pick up all of them.

So, yes, while merging things back into JCC might help the JCC, I don't see it helping the boards in whole. It's a bit like replacing a burnt roast for dinner with a burnt pizza. Yes, you've changed the flavor, but nothing's really all that much improved.

 

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 Date Posted: 12/1/08 7:36pm Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions - Date Edited: 12/1/08 7:38pm (2 edits total) Edited By: rhonderoo
I think Arena is busier than either Senate or Amph, and the sports threads in JCC still seem to be doing okay. I tend to agree that leaving those three alone and maybe look at merging SFF together. As well as some of the Fan Activities type forums. But curbing the size of MS doesn't have to be about closing any forums, it can be accomplished with a restructuring or some variant of both. The boards as a whole are slower and smaller, so perhaps instead of picking new mods for each position that comes open, you try to get mods that already post in a forum for that spot. This would have to be balanced with getting new blood in, somehow, though. This gets back to looking at turnover and length of time. (And around we go... tongue )

 

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 Date Posted: 12/1/08 8:03pm Subject: JC ideas and suggestions
harpuah posted:
Keralys, we have been discussing this in depth for months.
Yes; as I've said I'm aware of that. I'd still like to hear something besides, "We've discussed this," because the only issues I've actually heard raised primarily have to do with JCC, and those that don't assume that larger mod squad = WORSE! It may be; it may not be. I've not seen the "us vs. them" mentality that seems to underly a lot of this discussion in Lit, EUC, or, when I've occasionally dropped in and read, in the other SW, and for that matter, non-SW, discussion forums, or the Senate. I can't speak for Fan Fiction, because I've not been in there much in a few years, but the mods there seem to have pretty good relations with their userbase.

I'm willing to be convinced here - really! I'd just like to have someone make a convincing argument that this is more than a JCC issue that's being carried over into assumptions about everywhere else. I'm not even actively disagreeing; I just want to hear an actual argument rather than simple repetition of the same refrains. And yes, before you ask, I have read all the way through the relevant threads, including going all the way through - yes, every single post - the "Us vs. Them" thread that spawned this one. I've read comms for months, ever since I was promoted. That I wasn't posting means that I was still formulating thoughts or thought my thoughts already expressed, not that I wasn't here. happy

Seriously, I really do want to here the arguments here - actual logical arguments for the claims being made. Do that, and I'm convinced. happy

 

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 Date Posted: 12/1/08 10:31pm Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
Just my personal thoughts and observations


1) Welcome New Users - We just need to make sure the new users venture out into the other forums and do not just say in the Welcome Forum forming cliques.

2) The Saga Forum is slow and has one mod. The PT forum is slow and now has one mod. The CT forum is slow but has two part time mods. Not a big change is needed, but I wondered which way we were going with this. One full time mod for each forum or 2 part time mods?

3) Star Wars Community. The place to talk about star wars things that have nothing to do with the CT or PT movies. In it I see fanclubs for characters, social threads, and star wars themed games. In theory this would be the place to go if say Christopher Lee died or even George Lucas, but something tells me we will not do that the day they pass.

4) Lucasfilm Projects and Indy 4. It's really just an Indiana Jones forum because the only future Lucasfilm projects are likely to be star wars things and they'll get their own forums. Also if he does make a movie about something like American Graffiti, there's no need for a forum dedicated to it. One thread will do. So like I said, this is really just an Indiana Jones forum. Do we need it?

5) Star Wars and Film Music. All you really need is about 6 to 10 threads talking about the star wars movie music and the rest is just other film scores and a social thread. Honestly, the amph should have been the place for film music. I understood the need for this place back in the day when film music threads would get buried by spoiler threads in the PT forums, but it's very very slow in this forum.

If the live action show has great music, it can have a thread for it in the live action forum. The rest has already been talked about to death though and thus it is only kept alive by LOTR music and a social thread. But before I say anything more, I'll wait till I get further along with some of the others.

6) Games" CCG TCG and Boardgames is a dead zone

7) The Non Star Wars Fan Fiction forum has and a half mods (cuz one is part time). It's much slower than the PT and CT forums yet has more mods.

8) The Collecting Forum got 5 posts today in which 3 were made by its two mods. Now I've seen days where they've gotten 10 plus posts, but you get the point. Also, in theory this forum comes into conflict with Wise's other forums at RebelScum. So in reality, he wouldn't want this forum to grow much anyways.

9) Fan Art doesn't even have a mod in its header, though I suspect HanSolo29. Very slow forum though.

10) Fan Films has a little bit more activity. Adam Bertocci mods and seems to do alright. But he also has DVEditor who hasn't been there in almost 2 weeks and doesn't really post much to start with. Sci-Fi 3D was there on the 20th of November, but before that was posting about once a month there. Uilmuteiz NEVER posts there. Get rid of the dead weight. If some of them are fan force reps, let them stay reps. But they don't need the title of moderator of a forum if they do no such thing.

11) The Fan Sites forum. I believe this was created to give people a place to promote their forums without clogging up signatures with links? Well this forum is on life support and the majority of posts are made by jedimasterbac who is a full time mod there. If this place stays open, all it needs is a part time mod at most. So either give bac more to do, or...

12) Forum Feud, needs to be moved.

13) I have my reservations about the sci fi film forum and literature. Both are pretty slow moving. It boomed at first but we shot our load too soon. Personally I don't think there's anything in these forums that can't be discussed elsewhere. But that's just me.

14) Then we come to the amph and JCC. The forum description for amph reads...

Discuss and debate music (film music, instruments, classical, theory), art, literature, dramatic works (film, theater, TV) and cultural topics with your fellow Jedi Council members.

The forum description for the JCC basically says if you're tired of talking about star wars, get to know your fellow posters here. Now how do you get to know them without talking about things? Things that come to mind in general conversations could be music, tv, movies, art, and other cultural topics. But during a time when the JCC was way too crowded, we broke it down and said this is where you talk about sports, this is where you debate important social issues (the senate), this is where you discuss sci-fi, and this is where you discuss all the other little things.

That left the JCC with News, personal issues, maybe science, etc. But mainly the place became a sorta playground for jokes and funny stories. But even still we had movie threads and topics relating to culture because it wasn't natural to separate such things.

Nothing we do can save the forums in the long run in terms of activity. Only Lucas can really bring us new members as the forum is "the Jedi Council forum" and thus not the place the internet flocks to to discuss worldly events. But I think between the YJCC, the amph, film music forum, sci fi forums, and lucasfilm projects place we have a mixture of interrelated topics that might be combined into about 3 forums.

The Senate too as it deals with news topics and social issues more in depth.

In theory we could collapse it all back into one, but that may be too drastic for a first step and may psychologically have sort of long term posting effect yet to be seen. So maybe if we say combine a few of them into the broader topics. Like the Music forum, Movie/TV forum, Book Forum etc activity may increase for a year. Do I expect anything we do to last multiple years? No. Hell maybe, the Book Forum wouldn't generate enough discussion and maybe those topics should just fall under the YJCC. I don't know. But if this forum is going to eventually die (if the live action show does nothing to increase activity over the next few years leading to it) I'd rather it died in one spot than in little clusters that say we didn't at least try to spark new activity and get people talking to each other.

 

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 Date Posted: 12/2/08 5:46am Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
HookLineAndSinker posted:
1) Welcome New Users - We just need to make sure the new users venture out into the other forums and do not just say in the Welcome Forum forming cliques.


Agreed. There have been a few ideas banded by PM to get people into other areas, but nothing has come of it as of yet. I do think Skiara has a damn lot to do, considering it's just one Mod, though.

If we put more Mods in the WNU, perhaps we'll be able to spend more time on the newer users and get them into other boards. This is very important, definitely.

 

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 Date Posted: 12/2/08 5:54am Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
Sinrebirth posted:
HookLineAndSinker posted:
1) Welcome New Users - We just need to make sure the new users venture out into the other forums and do not just say in the Welcome Forum forming cliques.


Agreed. There have been a few ideas banded by PM to get people into other areas, but nothing has come of it as of yet. I do think Skiara has a damn lot to do, considering it's just one Mod, though.

If we put more Mods in the WNU, perhaps we'll be able to spend more time on the newer users and get them into other boards. This is very important, definitely.




That might also solve problem 11 as I do not believe jedimasterbac has enough to do. Perhaps he could give Skiara a helping hand. Progress!

 

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Date Posted: 12/2/08 6:49am Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
HookLineAndSinker posted:
1) Welcome New Users - We just need to make sure the new users venture out into the other forums and do not just say in the Welcome Forum forming cliques.


If more "oldo's" or whatever they're called would come into WNU to make people feel welcome, I think it would help quite alot.

And also, as a newbie, I can say that while it's super easy for someone who has lots of friends on the boards and has been here for 43000 years to say "Hey, just go into another forum!", it's not so easy when you are the newbie.

Cliques and little groups of "hee hee hilarious inside jokes that everyone understands except the nuuuuuubs!" are kinda the model for ALOT of the boards here. This is not necessarily a bad thing, it makes for some really funny stuff. So there's a bit of an adjusting time for nooobie mcn00bcakes as they watch and learn how to participate- not uncommon for a message board, obviously, but the process could be MUCH faster. MUCH. You want to "increase forum traffic"? Have more of the longtime users come into WNU to make people feel welcome and to teach them how to fit in on the boards, not ridicule them when they don't know what to do.

I mean seriously. The n00b joke is funny, I guess. But how many times do you really need to laugh at "haha look at what that idiot is doing, such a NOOB!"

Anyways, that's just my opinion. hugs

 

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Date Posted: 12/2/08 6:58am Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
I personally have never made a single post in WNU. I lurked for a good while, got a good feel for the place, and dove in. It's just the internet. While I do think WNU is a good idea, I think it inhibits people a bit. I mean, do people really need to be held by the hand in order to do something as simple as type some words and hit post reply?

Again, I think WNU is a good idea... some people are shyer than others, but posting on the internet is not as difficult as some make it out to be.

 

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Date Posted: 12/2/08 7:07am Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
Yeah, and it's really awesome that you were able to fit in so well!

Now you should come to WNU to make others feel welcome.

 

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