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Date Posted: 12/2/08 7:09am Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
I've also lurked in WNU.

Honestly, and I know this might draw some ire, but WNU was a fine idea when the boards were huge and intimidating, but I honestly have never seen a forum anywhere else on the internet with a new users' social forum. At best I've seen forums with a few threads explaining the rules and for asking basic questions. I think at this point, and with the current posting/incoming users level, WNU as it exists is not really necessary.

 

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Date Posted: 12/2/08 7:12am Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
Remember that new user question thread that was there for like 2 weeks or something in the JCC? And how quickly it got spammed by older users pretending to be nooooooobs? Haha?

 

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Date Posted: 12/2/08 7:18am Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
Yes, what's your point?

Out of everyone on the new users list only 2 have posted in WNU at all. One who was an existing member registering a new name, and one who appears to be a bot or something.

 

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 Date Posted: 12/2/08 7:27am Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
Snowspeeder, thank you for sharing your perspective on being a new user to the boards. The YJCC can be a pretty unforgiving place at times and as such can seem overwhelming. Stick it out, continue to post in threads that interest you. You will find there are posters out there you will start connecting with and it will help you feel like you fit in a bit better. It is tough sometimes but stay with it.

Thread creation can be the toughest to figure out and there is no magic formula, don't take it personally if your threads don't get many posts. Some threads get a lot of posts others don't. If you are not sure if a thread fits in the forum you are in PM one of the mods and ask they would be happy to help you out. I am always open to questions and will do my best to help you out.



 

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 Date Posted: 12/2/08 7:32am Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
We seem to talk about JCC as if it's the only forum some times, and I don't think that serves the overall picture well. Leaving the JCC/Senate/Amph as it is, and least in theory for now, why not talk about combining some of the those forums that Hook outlined that also share a lot of the same format? (Good job on that list, Ian!)

SFF - Combine into one forum

Saga/PT/OT/SWC/SW Film and Music - Is it time to look at narrowing things down in these forums, maybe? I think moving SWF&M to Amph is a really good idea. And what about putting the three movie forums together? It may be time to do that, or refocus Saga into the other two and relax some of the rules on discussion type. Or combine all four movie forums together for a SW equivalent of JCC/Senate/Amph? (Saga, SWF&M, and SWC)

The non-video game forums (non-RPG) -- could they be combined?

That's just a first glance type look, but the list proves there are definitely some areas worth looking into.

 

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Date Posted: 12/2/08 7:34am Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
Oh whoops, okay, the point of my last point was that it's nice to have a no pressure place for people to get adjusted.

And as for the new user list vs. number who have posted in the WNU- Sample size alert! Sure, there was only two from this group of new users, but if you look at say, mid october, there was quite a few new users who posted.

But that group from mid october shouldn't be used to judge either. If you really wanted to get mathematical about it, you would have to take a much larger sample, and then do some sort of null-hypothesis test. But that would be boring.

 

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 Date Posted: 12/2/08 7:42am Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions - Date Edited: 12/2/08 7:47am (1 edits total) Edited By: Aragorn327
rhonderoo posted:
The non-video game forums (non-RPG) -- could they be combined?


The last switching of topics sent boardgames from Games over to the Card forum to try to help it out. Obviously it hasn't changed much--at this point CCG+TCG is dead and buried.

I believe the traditional argument against it was that RPGers and Card players don't traditionally get along due to nerd rivalry. In our current state, nothing'd change in the RPG board if they were combined, simply because no one posts about the Cards anymore. Still useful to have somewhere to talk about them for anyone who's interested, so I don't think there'd be anything wrong with combining those forums now.

re: WNU--I don't think not having it would have any real advantage. It's useful for those that use it, I assume.

Still, it might be made a little more viable in terms of introducing people to the other boards. Maybe have fixed threads about the board structure and forum layout with a few regulars from various boards popping in to explain their particular sub-culture/whathaveyou.

 

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 Date Posted: 12/2/08 8:13am Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
Maybe have WNU be for information only (i.e. no social thread, or short term social threads). Usually there's an introduction thread by each new member on a forum (in some other forums I've frequented) where people come and say, Welcome! But then you go off to other places to discuss other things. Now, granted, the cool kids in JCC could be a little nicer to newbies, maybe, but usually people find their niche in some forum somewhere.

 

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Date Posted: 12/2/08 8:24am Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
I don't know what's to be gained by closing/limiting WNU.

Sure, some people go there, stay there, and form their cliques. Sounds a lot like YJCC to me. But I don't hear anyone clamoring for rules that you can only post so much percentage of your time in JCC or anything like that. If people find a community here they like, shouldn't they be allowed to join it? No matter where that community is, be it YJCC, SWC, Senate, WNU, or Comms?

So, again, the complaints against WNU sound like "we want more of the traffic into JCC, and so since there's a problem with JCC, we'll just steal traffic from somewhere else".

If you want to see JCC improved, then you should personally improve JCC. Don't make "lol whut" threads. Don't make "let's talk about someone's genitals" threads. Or, if that is exactly the kind of forum you want JCC to be, keep making those, and don't complain when people want to stay in another forum (like Amph, WNU, or Senate). There's a reason some people (myself included) only visit the JCC in drive-by fashion. The community, as currently constructed, is not inviting for all who may want to join it to do so.




I also don't know what's to be gained from merging PT/OT and Saga. Sure, none of them is booming with activity, but let's not forget what we are. The Jedi Council Forums on The Force Dot Net. We are founded for Star Wars discussion. So, yes, it makes a little bit of sense that we'd have a few extra forums dedicated to Star Wars. And, let's not pretend that we still don't have users that can't discuss the OT and PT side-by-side, while remaining civil.

Having said that, I can see merit to having a moderating team for Saga/OT/PT, rather than moderator(s) for each individual forum. Just like Fan Fic has a team for all its boards, why can't those three share 2-3 moderators, rather than each having 1-2 moderators?

 

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 Date Posted: 12/2/08 8:33am Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions - Date Edited: 12/2/08 8:35am (1 edits total) Edited By: rhonderoo
I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said. And I don't think JCC needs more traffic, it's pretty much taken care of traffic-wise (quality could be another conversation that should be limited to JCC only, maybe). And I agree that just because we're talking about forums in general, it should not be taken for granted that it's all about JCC just because there are some JCC users making suggestions.

And having the same mod team for Saga/PT/OT is a good idea. I still don't think SW Music warrants it's own forum, though. Why can't it be merged with SWC or Amph?

 

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 Date Posted: 12/2/08 9:00am Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
There is no way in hell I will ever support the Music forum being folded into anything else. That forum has a small tight knit community that has been the most consistent I've seen in my seven years here. That is the kind of community we should be fostering across the boards, not folding into another forum. The Music forum provides a place for film score fans to collect and discuss anything film score related. The forum might move slowly, but it has been pretty consistent for years. There really is no overlapping score discussion in Amph or anywhere else.

 

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 Date Posted: 12/2/08 10:00am Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions - Date Edited: 12/2/08 10:01am (1 edits total) Edited By: TwiLekJedi
Strilo posted:
There really is no overlapping score discussion in Amph or anywhere else.


Which, for those who aren't acutely aware of everything that's ever happened in and with the Music forum, is why it is how it is now in the first place. Non-SW Film Music was taken away from it and given to Amp. After some months have passed the situation was looked at again and the Music Forum could have them back because nobody in Amp was actually discussing film music, at least not seperately.
It's better to have it slow and low-profile than not at all. The only other kind of thread I know is "what's your favorite" and the only ones making well-informed posts in those are hal, Hook and me - Music Forum posters wink

Yes, stop living in the past Senny, we certainly could try the whole thing in Amp or JCC or SWC or SFF again but... would that really have a point? Without disappointing those that actually post there.

And to live in the present, the Clone Wars show's music gets very few mentions in LACWAC, too, and nobody is even telling anyone to take it to Music.


If anything, let's rename it back to Film Music Hall. It's pretty and since everything's dead, it doesn't need to be super-informative anymore. Ha!

 

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 Date Posted: 12/2/08 10:47am Subject: JC ideas and suggestions
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13) I have my reservations about the sci fi film forum and literature. Both are pretty slow moving. It boomed at first but we shot our load too soon. Personally I don't think there's anything in these forums that can't be discussed elsewhere. But that's just me.

Uh, are you talking about SFF only, or about Star Wars Lit? Because the latter is moving pretty consistently, and remains one of the most active boards on here. And SFFBC is working on picking up activity, especially by promoting crossways discussion of SW authors' non-SW books. You might be able to make an argument to roll SFFBC and Films/TV together, but they certainly don't need to go away.

Why is having these forums a bad thing? There's a consistent assumption that it is, and I still don't know why. happy

 

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 Date Posted: 12/2/08 10:51am Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
From what I recall of the Film Music forum.

Originally it was for all film scores, where I participated. Then it got reduced to just SW films scores with the others being redirected to JCC/Amph, where I left the forum. Then common sense prevailed and it became all film scores again. And I then added it back to my favourites.

Now I have the JCC, Amph, and Film Music in my favourites. They are all very different and distinct communities and they all work well. There is absolutely no need to merge them, and it would be taking away from the boards to do so, not enhancing.

 

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 Date Posted: 12/2/08 10:57am Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
Master_Keralys posted:
HookLineandSinker posted:
13) I have my reservations about the sci fi film forum and literature. Both are pretty slow moving. It boomed at first but we shot our load too soon. Personally I don't think there's anything in these forums that can't be discussed elsewhere. But that's just me.

Uh, are you talking about SFF only, or about Star Wars Lit? Because the latter is moving pretty consistently, and remains one of the most active boards on here. And SFFBC is working on picking up activity, especially by promoting crossways discussion of SW authors' non-SW books. You might be able to make an argument to roll SFFBC and Films/TV together, but they certainly don't need to go away.

Why is having these forums a bad thing? There's a consistent assumption that it is, and I still don't know why. happy



No. I said literature but I mean sci-fi books and comics. Didn't mean to confuse you. The SW Literature forum has no problems from what I can see and thus I did not include it on my list.

 

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