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 Date Posted: 12/2/08 11:12am Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions - Date Edited: 12/2/08 11:14am (2 edits total) Edited By: ophelia
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Why is having these forums a bad thing? There's a consistent assumption that it is, and I still don't know why. happy
Well, the main reason that having a few hundred low-traffic boards is undesirable is that people who want to have a discussion are less likely to connect. If you have one Harry Potter thread in JCC, and it's languishing with 3 or 4 posters, plus another one in Apmh, which is languishing with 3 or 4 posters, plus another one in SFF with only 1 or 2, why not combine them all and have a halfway-decent discussion?

Of course, if all these Harry Potter fans are basically hiding from each other because they can't stand the people on those other boards (eeeeew!!11),* we might be better off leaving things as they are, and dying down more quickly, but more happily.

It appears that the jury's still out on whether people would rather leave the site than combine their favorite older threads or forums.



*Since this is Comms, I may as well point out that this is tongue-in-cheek.

 

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 Date Posted: 12/2/08 12:44pm Subject: JC ideas and suggestions - Date Edited: 12/2/08 12:45pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Master_Keralys
Hmm. That's a good and very valid point, and it makes a lot of sense.

HookLineAndSinker - that's kind of what I was thinking, but wasn't sure. tongue In any case, as I said, that's one of the few mergers that does make a good amount of sense to me. happy Amph culture is very different to JCC culture, and I don't think that a merger would actually be a plus for the boards. JCC doesn't need Amph, and Amph is running along fine. It doesn't have to be Lit or the JCC to be successful.

Now, possibly merging SFFBC/FTV together makes sense, and maybe moving Indy out of its own category makes sense as well.

My larger question is, Why is catering to a very wide range of people a bad thing? For example, the notion that there's something wrong or silly about TFN having an Indiana Jones board. Why not? confused ETA: this is somewhat addressed by ophelia's post above; I don't want to seem as though dismissing that, at all. It just seems to me that finding ways to build activity rather than finding ways to close up shop seems smarter. TFN may not be at the peak of its influence, but there's not really any reason these boards can't outgrow TFN main to be a top board for TOR, or for that matter for any number of other topics, at least that I can see. It may never do so, but there's no good reason why it shouldn't be tried. happy

 

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Date Posted: 12/2/08 1:59pm Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
Catching up on the last few hours here... Inty pretty much nailed a few good points on the head when it comes to WNU that I'd like to reiterate. WNU cliques? Sure. Friendly people who don't post about genitals every other thread... I can see a benefit there, too. WNU as a whole is comprised of many younger and more reserved users who find the board is a haven from other boards. It's not only the aspect of finding other boards "scary" or whatnot, it's a matter of just not wanting to necessarily leave friends who frequent WNU or finding that the board is a bit friendlier than other boards... it's a more welcoming community that really doesn't have any expectations. If there's a clique, it's the whole board, and the whole board openly welcomes new people into the clique at any time. Just posting makes you welcome in WNU. Some people like that in a discussion forum instead of dealing with things they see as too adult or impolite.

There's a reason WNU is affectionately dubbed "JCC Lite." I'd never ask JCC to shut its doors on innuendo or stupid news anymore than I'd ask WNU to stop playing "Teh-Mole" or socializing among friends. Are we really trying to fix WNU because we care about that particular board and community, or are we just running through communities we don't entirely understand in a weird effort to "fix" the JC as a whole? "Fixing" WNU as has been suggested won't do that.

 

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Date Posted: 12/2/08 2:02pm Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
I just have one question.

What about the RPF?

Is that going to become just one role playing board or whonow?

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 Date Posted: 12/2/08 2:29pm Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions - Date Edited: 12/2/08 2:33pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Imperial_Hammer
Most likely not Beast...

As Ophelia stated above, the reason for merging boards would be that there would be communities talking about different things and not getting to know each other. This isn't the case with the RPFs b/c its run as one community, same as Fanfic. Same mods, same posters, same shared activities such as the Announcement System, Awards and Balls, etc. The separate boards are more of an organizational tool versus anything else.

We were just one board as of 2005. But is was very crowded and alot of games didn't get the face-time they deserved. Now, not only do we have more growing space, esp. in the NSW department, which will be important in catching more folks during the slowdown, but we're able to engage in Resource activities that more or less didn't happen back then. Collapsing RPF would just make for a more crowded and confused forum; there would be no benefit in doing it.

I think they are talking about more dire cases than ours Beast. Boards that get even less traffic than we do, or have dedicated mods that aren't doing much.

Thanks for paying attention in Comms though. Its nice to see some of our players having a more global outlook on things. happy

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Date Posted: 12/2/08 3:28pm Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
I can keep my thread when this "switch over to new format" takes place?

 

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 Date Posted: 12/2/08 3:35pm Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions - Date Edited: 12/2/08 3:36pm (1 edits total) Edited By: jp-30
I second Arlon's request.

Even though there is absolutely nothing to indicate that any threads will be lost or locked in the restructuring, it would give all of us Guarlon followers some peace-of-mind knowing his blog thread won't be locked when the forums do get merged.

 

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 Date Posted: 12/2/08 3:40pm Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions - Date Edited: 12/2/08 3:42pm (2 edits total) Edited By: rhonderoo
I don't think the size of the forums is what prompted any merging ideas as much as what Ophelia noted. And if this all stems from some perception that something needs to change in a particular forum, then it should be dealt with on a forum by forum basis. And if it's about MS being bigger, thus the us vs. them mentality and dead weight being more pervasive, then each one of THOSE need to be dealt with separately.

Some of the ideas about merging forums like SFF BC and SFF TM have more merit than others. But IMO, a lot of this isn't going to help the issue of "dead weight" or user relations when you get into the bigger picture of MS bureaucracy and what a mod should be doing overall.

I think each time we get into these type of discussions we start painting the entirety of the forums with one or two forums, especially JCC because they tend to be more vocal users. And their suggestions are viewed as being tailored to JCC, even when they are talking about other forums because they are known JCC users. So we should get away from that, and start getting to the heart of what we want to change or suggest by forum.

If you have a beef with the JCC mods, say it. If you feel the PT forum has lived past it's prime, by all means lay it out there. You think Saga has a deadweight mod, take it to 506 and just let it all out. (These are all examples)

I think at this point, this is a little like trying to eat the whole elephant, and there won't be much the administration can act on. So I'd suggest to really help 506, make your suggestions for the individual forums you're familiar with and then start relating to the bigger picture later on.

 

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 Date Posted: 12/2/08 4:07pm Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
Strilo posted:
There is no way in hell I will ever support the Music forum being folded into anything else. That forum has a small tight knit community that has been the most consistent I've seen in my seven years here. That is the kind of community we should be fostering across the boards, not folding into another forum. The Music forum provides a place for film score fans to collect and discuss anything film score related. The forum might move slowly, but it has been pretty consistent for years. There really is no overlapping score discussion in Amph or anywhere else.


I think Tim hits a nail here (although he said it a bit more rejective as I would have tongue ). Why ruin a perfectly good community in a small forum just for the sake of changes? Any change should be all about improving things and keeping people posting here. Merging some of these forums will only drive some posters away.

All that can be done to keep people posting here is keep things interesting. And for that, the moderating staff for each forum has to listen carefully what their users want and take it from there for each forum individually. The forums here are too diverse to come up with one solution that will generate more traffic for all of them.

 
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Date Posted: 12/2/08 4:16pm Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
i cannot really add much here. i find change for the sake of itself rather useless and i wonder if merging forums is a wise idea.

personally i frequent the amphitheatre and by frequent i mean i go there whenever i'm online. i wouldn't mind it merging with say the YJCC so much but the YJCC has a habit of moving too quickly for my taste, which is why i have a hard time joining in there at all (since andalite bandite went there's not been much point anyway) so on those grounds i wouldn't like that.

 

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Date Posted: 12/2/08 6:43pm Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
I also post in Amph everyday. I'm hosting a game there. I didn't bring up my point because I have a beef with Amph. I think bringing it into JCC would be benificial because I know there are music (film, lit, and art as well... I mention music because it's my "thing") fans in JCC. I post in both places. Amph does move slowly. If you really take a look, the place mainly cinsists of "list threads" found in various places. Now, as you may or may not know, I also have a thing for list threads (I've done my fair share tongue ). Anyway... if you look at these threads, they move very slowly. Each update generates maybe three or four responses, the thread sinks, and Zaz bumps it by posting "I've never read, seen, heard this."

I did a JC top 100 albums thread in both JCC and Amph. The JCC thread generated 1500 posts, and had a large amount of people following it. In the JCC thread, I posted five albums per day. It took 20 days to get to number one, and 1500 posts were generated.

In the Amph thread , I posted one album per day, to allow for more in depth conversation. Well, about three people posted per album. It took one hundred days to make it to number one, and about 675 posts were generated (100 of them mine).

I really think Amph could use the JCC. Fluff posters generally stay out of dedicated threads. I think the JCC could use more music / etc threads. I also think Amph could use some more fun. I think it could benefit both places.

Again, I love Amph, I adore Zaz. He really is one of the more dedicated mods out there. He's constantly updating thread titles to accomodate the many many many list threads. He's always upping threads, attempting to generate discussion. I think he would be great in a livlier forum. All the work he does to only have the thread generate a few posts in response seems such a waste.

ophelia posted:
Well, the main reason that having a few hundred low-traffic boards is undesirable is that people who want to have a discussion are less likely to connect. If you have one Harry Potter thread in JCC, and it's languishing with 3 or 4 posters, plus another one in Apmh, which is languishing with 3 or 4 posters, plus another one in SFF with only 1 or 2, why not combine them all and have a halfway-decent discussion?


That's exactly what I'm saying.

I also agree with Rhonda. Combining the Star Wars forums may be a wise choice. Saying that PT and OT users can't post together is silly. What about the Saga forum? They seem to pull it off, and really, catering to that sort of ridiculous behaviour is goofy as all hell. tongue

Combining the SFF boards should most definitely happen. As Tim said, it really is ludicrous to have them seperate.

 

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Date Posted: 12/2/08 7:55pm Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
Thank you I_H for clearing that up.

Now, onto the main topic. I think its a good idea also, because I go to alot of boards where the last post was a long time ago. Then, as Ophelia said, there's alot of the same topics in different forums that negates the others and makes it seem pointless.

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 Date Posted: 12/2/08 8:30pm Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions
Is there a way where users can finally get colors? With titles, people know who the mods/admins are, and this is something that I believe is long overdue. I know there's not a chance in hell that this will happen, but I wanted to mention it anyway.

 

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 Date Posted: 12/2/08 8:36pm Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions - Date Edited: 12/2/08 8:37pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Aragorn327
Might as well voice the other side of that--rather than having titles mark out mods from everyone else, why not make colors/vip stand out again? Leave actual VIPs and mark the others with soley titles.

 

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Date Posted: 12/2/08 9:58pm Subject: RE: JC ideas and suggestions - Date Edited: 12/2/08 10:01pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Robimus
I've been poking around Communications for the past few months, but I think this is my first time actually chiming in. Be gentle happy

I'm a relatively new user, been aware of the forums for a lot of years but never became active until the middle of last year. Maybe I can give some perspective as a newer user that some of you longer tenured folks don't have, and maybe not tongue . Here goes......

Ophelia Mentioned:Even if some authors are too wary to openly post here, it would be great to have them willing to answer carefully-chosen fan questions, and have the results posted on the relevant boards.

This issue of VIP interaction has been a standard here since I first signed up and began posting primarily in Lit. I think Ophelia's suggestion is an excellent one(already on the go with Kevin Rubio and Henry Gilroy).

That said VIP interaction is very difficult, particualrly in Lit, on a day to day basis. Some writers are beloved by a heavy majority, and those are generally the VIP's seen interacting wit the user base. I think it's going to be far easier for those VIP's (living, breathing, feeling people happy ) to contribute. It's far easier to revel amongst your adoring masses than speak with your tomato throwing detractors tongue .

And thats really the crux of the situation with the VIP interaction as far as I can see it. I can totally identify with why an author would have difficultly chatting about their book in a thread where every second post is giving a decidedly negative viewpoint, hurling veiled insults, sarcastic jokes and other hurtful behavior.

And thats how Lit is, even if some of the worst offences are removed, the only way to effectively make a VIP feel welcome would be to disallow the user base their individual opinions about the authors work. That simply is not going to happen. A staff sponsered interveiw with questions submitted by the users is a much more friendly way to interact with the VIP's for the board in general.

Don't get me wrong, I love the interaction I've personally had with some of the VIP's over the past year and a half. I'd love for that to continue, but I feel in many cases respect for a VIP only goes so far as how well their most recent body of work is received by the general user base. Someone loved now might well not be a year from now and thus that VIP might no longer wish to participate as an active poster at that point.

This is simply reality in Lit as I see it, not an effort to put down our Mod team or really even critize them in any way. If Lit is going to continue to be a place where a user can vigerously voice their opinions, as I think it should be, its going to be tough to make the VIP's feel continually welcome.

Ophelia posted: For that matter, authors are usually more excited about the release of their "real" novels, and I can see them warming up to the idea of talking to SW fanboys in Lit if they also get to move over into NSWFSF and promote their latest personal projects.

First off their are fan girls and boys in Lit tongue

This is another A+ idea. How many of the authors that visit this site are even aware of the non Star Wars book/comic thread? I don't know the user totals for this site, but I bet its huge. I'm going to toss out a number over a million as a guess. Maybe every user isn't active, but the number has to be huge. If a VIP realized the oppurtunity exists to promote their original works to that kind of base maybe they would be more interactive.

This could perhaps be supported in some way by an FYI Thread in Lit, or which ever appropriate forum, to steer general author discussion toward the non Star Wars book and comic forum, non-Star Wars Televison and Movie forum, so on, so forth. Just an idea.

Ophelia muses: Also, as a "just for the record:" adult fans are mostly giving the new Clone Wars cartoon a thumbs-down, but kids love it. There's already a set of young adult books based on it, and I see these in the hands of my 8-10 year-old students all the time

I'd love to see your source for this assumption. Since my sign up LACWAC has gone from a very, very slow forum to one which is getting user interaction all through the day, everyday. If you venture over to that forum you'll find a ton of discussion threads on going for every indivual episode of CWA, with hundreds of posts in each, all contributed by people way older than 8-10 years of age. Most of the feedback is very positive, but some poeple of course don't like the show as well.

I'm sure its not your intent, but I don't think the CWA show needs to be labelled in that way. Your totally right that its creating new Star Wars fans, just like the Prequels did before it, but the adult user base is far from negative toward the program.

One of the things I think is hampering discussion in the LACWAC forum is the fact that Lit has its own "Cartoon Discussion Thread". Instead of being redirected to LACWAC, the discussion goes on there, kind of fracturing the board a little bit.(Which of course goes on elsewhere as well, thinking specifically of seperate threads in the JCC to the Jedi Council boards). Not that I think there shouldn't or can't be a CWA discussion thread in Lit, but I have noticed that many of the users posting in that thread dont contribute to the LACWAC threads. peace

 

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