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Date Posted: 9/15/02 11:03am Subject: RE: Mara Jade Hater Club
How annoying! The Nighsisters supposedly being so strong that Palpy didn't bother with them! angry

 

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Date Posted: 9/15/02 11:07am Subject: RE: Mara Jade Hater Club
i don't know if i should be doing this, but i just wanted to say this.

i think that it's kind of disappointing that there needs to be a Mara Jade Hater Club. it's not really her fault that she's so "perfect", but the authors' faults. i don't really think that this is neccessary, and i think that it's kind of sad that there are so many pages of posts.

while i am a Mara Jade fan, i don't go bashing people i don't like, and i really don't think that this club is a neccessity, and i think that the mods should ban it. if you have a problem with Mara Jade, go discuss it in the NJO critics club, or found an EU critics club, not a club bashing one character.

 

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Date Posted: 9/15/02 11:12am Subject: RE: Mara Jade Hater Club

And uses the force to get em out too.


Point is? These things might not seem much alone but when they happen in EVERY fricking book it gets annoying.


I missed this, I did however see Luke fight a clone version of himself(which kinda wears you down) and try and find the good in C'Boath until the end. Probably his biggest mistake.


Must be one mighty clone if inside a week or two it can catch up with Luke who’s been a Jedi for what 5 years at this point?

Luke was about as effective as a damp squib in the last battle to my recollection and I have NO intention of reading TTT again if I can help it.

Anyway the fact that he didn’t suss C’Boath was a tad loopy when he started zapping villagers was a little… retarded. You don’t need to be a Jedi to realise that zapping people with force lightning ain’t the done thing for a Jedi Master. Luke may be naïve but he knows right from wrong no matter how dumb Zahn writes him to be.


He had never defeated Palpatine before this time either.


So? Luke is supposed to be verging on Jedi Master status by this point, he’s already been established to increase in his ability to use the force at a rate far, FAR beyond any of the old order jedi or he wouln’t have survived Endor but still he’s made Palpatine’s bitch in short order and at no point actually seems to be a threat to him until Leia joins her power with him or something like that.


And then protects his own body while free floating in nuttin by controling a two year old and turning him into a lightsaber ginsu specialist.


You’re exaggerating that a little, Jacen slashed up a couple of dumb beasts. Big fricking deal and this is from the author who thinks Jedi can throw Star Destroyers around.


So two jedi one a master would not be able to handle two sentinel droids which are in essence a form of battle droids? Ones which could not be sliced up. Ah so what we saw in TPM does not matter. I see to remember two jedi one a master face two battle droids of sorts and after realizing they would not be able to slice through them they ran off. No using of force push on them or anything of the sort.


But in TPM they had an easy escape route so they took it, here they did not it was a fight to the death and Luke is a lot more powerful than either of the TPM duo being the son of the chosen one and the guy who restablished the order and the guy became a knight in about 1% of the time it took the old jedi.

Seriously how hard can it be to just use the force to snap a few gears inside the robot or something?

Don’t give me that EU crap about droid manipulation being a Sith power either, that is just an arbitary choice that makes no sense. You can mind whammy people but there’ll be hell to pay if you mess with a droid! Yeah…

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So the leading of missions and seperating himself from Mara allows for a lot of nookie eh? That must be some funky nookie you speak of. I would love to see you break down the NJO.
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Paraphrasing from Conquest:

Anakin: The academy is going to attacked I had a vision of it!

Luke: Ah they’ll be fine.

This is Luke Skywalker? Pfft.


Let's not forget Luke being destroyed by the Nightsisters. Oh wait...the Nightsisters were so powerful that even Palpatine didn't want to deal with them. *rolls eyes*


Yeah the untrained witches that beat on a Jedi force led by Yoda… What a crock that is, gotta be up there with Kyp having more raw power than Luke or all these almost as good as Vader dark siders Palpy kept around. Then again what can you expect from the person who turned a novel about Han and Leia’s wedding into a love triangle for no good reason?

 
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Date Posted: 9/15/02 11:30am Subject: RE: Mara Jade Hater Club - Date Edited: 9/15/02 11:30am (1 edits total) Edited By: Obi_Wans_love_child
Must be one mighty clone if inside a week or two it can catch up with Luke who’s been a Jedi for what 5 years at this point?

I could be off, but I am pretty sure its stated C'Boath was controlling the clone some how. C'Boath did know a fair share about the force, so that could account for Luuke being a decent duelist.

Luke was about as effective as a damp squib in the last battle to my recollection and I have NO intention of reading TTT again if I can help it.

That is too bad, maybe your perceptions would change if you read it again. I know I have found new insights each time I have reread a Star Wars book.

Anyway the fact that he didn’t suss C’Boath was a tad loopy when he started zapping villagers was a little… retarded. You don’t need to be a Jedi to realise that zapping people with force lightning ain’t the done thing for a Jedi Master. Luke may be naïve but he knows right from wrong no matter how dumb Zahn writes him to be.

Yeah the influence C'Boath was pasting him with while Luke visited him on Jomark had nothing to do with why he was in a funk and not understanding how loopy C'Boath actually was.

You’re exaggerating that a little, Jacen slashed up a couple of dumb beasts. Big fricking deal and this is from the author who thinks Jedi can throw Star Destroyers around.

Yes dark beasts imbibed with the dark side via a 4000 year old Sith Lord. Exetremely idiotic beasts I can tell.

But in TPM they had an easy escape route so they took it, here they did not it was a fight to the death and Luke is a lot more powerful than either of the TPM duo being the son of the chosen one and the guy who restablished the order and the guy became a knight in about 1% of the time it took the old jedi

But if its so simple to disable a robot Qui Gon and Obi Wan could have easily disabled them and still gone after those on the bridge. Are you sure Luke is by far more powerful than a jedi master and a jedi who survived the jedi purges? When it comes to snapping something in a droid to disable it, how much would knowing the droid have to deal with being able to know what to snap or what about having two blasters pointed at you and having to keep deflecting shots. Would this allow you to concentrate enough to search out the strut which you can snap in two, to disable the droid?

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Date Posted: 9/15/02 11:31am Subject: RE: Mara Jade Hater Club
I mean, didn't Corran tell Luke in I, Jedi "You'll never know the dark side like I do."

I don't recall this. You have a page number I can look up?

Must be one mighty clone if inside a week or two it can catch up with Luke who’s been a Jedi for what 5 years at this point?

He's using the Dark side. And the Dark side is "Quicker, easier, more seductive."

I take that to mean that the clone could get to Luke's level in a week or two.


Bottom line, Luke...LEUke has been portrayed as a shell of the Jedi he is in the book. It was Luke Skywalker who rescued Princess Leia, destroyed the Death Star, disarmed a wampa, destroyed an AT-AT Walker, killed a Rancor, destroyed Jabba's criminal organization, slapped around EU favorite Boba Fett, defeated and redeemded Darth Vader. The EU has not come close to portraying this. Instead, Luke is portrayed as stupid and weak, as opposed to Mary Sue's Mara and Corran. Those two are all wise in the ways of the Force. *rolls eyes*

That's your opinion, so please stop stating it as fact.
And in DE, Luke did take on an AT-AT.

But in TPM they had an easy escape route so they took it, here they did not it was a fight to the death and Luke is a lot more powerful than either of the TPM duo being the son of the chosen one and the guy who restablished the order and the guy became a knight in about 1% of the time it took the old jedi.

I don't get the reasoning that the Chosen One and his children are all powerful. I thought the Chosen One would bring balance to the Force. I haven't seen where it says he is the most powerful ever.

Anakin: The academy is going to attacked I had a vision of it!

Luke: Ah they’ll be fine.

Where is this? This is most definately a paraphrase to end all paraphrases.

 

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Date Posted: 9/15/02 11:46am Subject: RE: Mara Jade Hater Club - Date Edited: 9/15/02 11:51am (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth Pipes
The clone might be using the Dark Side but that's no reason why Luuke should be able to beat Luke. Luuke is no Darth Vader. Yet La Matress can beat Luuke. Nonsense.

I'm stating fact that the EU writers insist on portraying the powerful Jedi we've seen in ROTJ as a weak and pathetic fighter. Luke defeated Darth Vader, he should be able to defeat any of these Mary Sue jokers in the EU.

As children of the Chosen One, they should have strong Force-abilities. They should have more than enough powerful to take out evil, one week old clones.

 

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Date Posted: 9/15/02 12:08pm Subject: RE: Mara Jade Hater Club
The clone might be using the Dark Side but that's no reason why Luuke should be able to beat Luke. Luuke is no Darth Vader. Yet La Matress can beat Luuke. Nonsense.

Actually, Mara didn't defeat him alone. She and Luke teamed up, and she had an opening, after Luke caused the Clone to be blinded, and killed him.

I'm stating fact that the EU writers insist on portraying the powerful Jedi we've seen in ROTJ as a weak and pathetic fighter. Luke defeated Darth Vader, he should be able to defeat any of these Mary Sue jokers in the EU.

Spoken like a true purist. That is not fact, that is opinion. Get it right.

 

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Date Posted: 9/15/02 12:12pm Subject: RE: Mara Jade Hater Club - Date Edited: 9/15/02 12:14pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Nephrite
Maybe we should get back on the topic... our mutual hatred for Mara.

 

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Date Posted: 9/15/02 12:48pm Subject: RE: Mara Jade Hater Club - Date Edited: 9/15/02 12:49pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Obi_Wans_love_child
The clone might be using the Dark Side but that's no reason why Luuke should be able to beat Luke. Luuke is no Darth Vader. Yet La Matress can beat Luuke. Nonsense.

Uh Luke beat Luuke luring him into slashing that screen and such. It just happened that Mara got the chance to stab out and kill him. Luke did beat his clone soundly. Defeat does not mean dead, just means defeat. Mara only took an opportunity she was given nothing more. Mara never defeated Luuke.

I'm stating fact that the EU writers insist on portraying the powerful Jedi we've seen in ROTJ as a weak and pathetic fighter. Luke defeated Darth Vader, he should be able to defeat any of these Mary Sue jokers in the EU.

Authors profess to portraying Luke as weak? You have proof of this? That is fact. If you read their books and interpret Luke as being weak. That is not fact. Unless you have gotten into the head of the authors and know exactly what they felt and thought than how do you know what fact is. Post proof that you know they intentionally write him as weak or do not state it as being fact.

Oh and I dont have a mutual hate for Mara, but I do enjoy speaking to those who have differing opinions, because I like to better understand the characters in this wonderful universe and no one person can see all angles and aspects of each character.

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Date Posted: 9/15/02 12:58pm Subject: RE: Mara Jade Hater Club
I don’t have the inclination to argue with multiple people at once and as J_F_T has proven himself to be an annoying little troll more than once it’s a no brainer who I’m going to reply to…

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I could be off, but I am pretty sure its stated C'Boath was controlling the clone some how. C'Boath did know a fair share about the force, so that could account for Luuke being a decent duelist.
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Yeah C’Boath was the flavour of the week dark sider so he had a fair bit of power but still it proves my point about it always being Luke getting crapped on when authors continually pull out these “awesomely powerful” dark side users that are sooo much more powerful than Luke until he finds some flukey way to beat them or gets lucky etc and wins the day. It’s tiresome that with a whole galaxy to play with they always came back to that derivative plot until the NJO. Well apart from Nyax. He really sucked.

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Yeah the influence C'Boath was pasting him with while Luke visited him on Jomark had nothing to do with why he was in a funk and not understanding how loopy C'Boath actually was.
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Thanks for proving my point for me. Luke getting pretty much nailed by a dark sider… again. I suppose to be fair TTT was the first to do so but still.

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Yes dark beasts imbibed with the dark side via a 4000 year old Sith Lord. Exetremely idiotic beasts I can tell.
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I don’t care who imbibed them they still weren’t at all bright. There was more than one of them all they had to do was have one or two rush the kid while another charges past to get Luke. It’s not exactly rocket science. Then again this is KJA I guess…

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But if its so simple to disable a robot Qui Gon and Obi Wan could have easily disabled them and still gone after those on the bridge. Are you sure Luke is by far more powerful than a jedi master and a jedi who survived the jedi purges? When it comes to snapping something in a droid to disable it, how much would knowing the droid have to deal with being able to know what to snap or what about having two blasters pointed at you and having to keep deflecting shots. Would this allow you to concentrate enough to search out the strut which you can snap in two, to disable the droid?
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Yes I am sure Luke is by far more powerful. Notice that scene were Anakin’s midi count went flying off the scale and kept on going in TPM? Yeah that one were they said his count was even higher than Yoda’s? Well Luke’s his kid and he seems to be a chip off the old block to say the least. Considering how long it takes a “normal” jedi to get knighted and how long it took Luke and how quickly he went from a bit useless in ESB to a powerful Jedi in ROTJ yeah he is far more powerful than either of them.

If he wasn’t then Yoda and Obi-Wan would have dealt with Vader and Palpy when they started the purges rather than scurrying off to hide. We saw in AOTC that Yoda ain’t adverse to a little duelling when it’s needed.

Deflecting blaster bolts never seemed to trouble Obi-Wan a great deal and the only place where I’ve seen it become difficult is in AOTC when the jedi are outnumber about a 1000 to 1 which is a mite worse than the 1 on 1 it was there.

It doesn’t exactly have to be an exact thing you just break random things inside it till it stops shooting at you… I can’t see a Jedi Master, the leader of the Jedi Order to boot, having a problem with that.

This is way, way off topic and just gives the people who want this thread closed evidence for their silly ideas. So I’ll stop here.

 
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Date Posted: 9/15/02 1:13pm Subject: RE: Mara Jade Hater Club
As for the me proving your point that Luke got whooped on each time. Its a matter of point of view I guess. Where you see Luke getting abused by C'Baoth when he is being influenced, I see Luke so desperate to learn more about the force he is far to trusting. Something which is very understandable. As for the evil winged beasts which tried to get at Luke the kid was standing right on top of him its kinda tough to rush him while others attack Luke. But that one is kinda weak argument either way. As for the whole midichlorian count thing, it has been established that although midichlorian count establishes force potential it does not establish pure strength in the force. And not only does one need pure strength to accomplish things in the force, but also an understanding of it. Where as Qui Gon and Obi Wan had not only a fair amount of history to go on they also were taught from an early age and were given the chance to learn many aspects from those around. Luke was never given that chance. He was given the chance to learn how to be a weapon and then after that its all been on his own. Luke may have been a jedi, but that does not mean he was the equivelant of the jedi before him. When you train children about the force there will be only so much they can learn in certain time spans. Luke was a late teen almost in his 20s and it was thus easier to understand the force. Look at Kyp who was older and progressed faster. Or look at Streen who also because of his age it was much easier to understand the force. Luke after the war only received little pieces of knowledge from people like Callista and others or he had to look many things up which can be very time consuming. I happen to think Luke as a character deserves a lot of respect for what he has done, by taking this huge burden onto his shoulders in re-establishing the jedi order. Something which he has had his ups and downs with, but it seems like a lot more ups than downs.

I happen to agree this is way off topic, but it was not brought up by me. I only responded to it. Like I stated before I come in here to learn more about why people dislike Mara Jade and from that hope to get a greater understanding of the character. I wont comment on Luke anymore in here.

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Date Posted: 9/15/02 2:30pm Subject: RE: Mara Jade Hater Club
Well, for the regulars here, are you guys actually going to bother with the haters community?

Personally I'm not, I've got better things to do than fight off the rabid EU fans with a big stick everytime I feel like posting something about Mara.

I mean the latest topic as I post this is dislike of purists plain I'm personally not a purist, well not completely, but I bet I would get tarred with the purist brush by them quickly enough. Wouldn't be the first time it's happened.

 
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Date Posted: 9/15/02 2:44pm Subject: RE: Mara Jade Hater Club
I can see that these posts have depreciated to a series of going 'round and 'round in ever narrowing spirals. . . .

Look guys, its as plain as the nose on your faces (vitrually speaking of course) that you have absolutely no desire to "understand" why we feel the way we feel, but rather want to simply continue to "logically" bash our right to dislike, loathe and even despise the Bed Spread.

It doesn't matter how sweetly worded your "debates" are. You aren't looking to understand. You just want to get your own point across. You are aren't the first and you won't be the last.

Been there, done that. Ain't doing it again.

Oh, and Mara Jade is anything BUT "perfect", my dear. It's not her fault? Blame the authors? She's a created character for crying out loud! She's not real. Please. . . . .

 

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Date Posted: 9/15/02 2:49pm Subject: RE: Mara Jade Hater Club
Look guys, its as plain as the nose on your faces (vitrually speaking of course) that you have absolutely no desire to "understand" why we feel the way we feel, but rather want to simply continue to "logically" bash our right to dislike, loathe and even despise the Bed Spread.

I'm not concerned about why you hate Mara. I originally posted because of the blatant EU bashing going on in here.

 

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Date Posted: 9/15/02 2:56pm Subject: RE: Mara Jade Hater Club - Date Edited: 9/15/02 2:58pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Obi_Wans_love_child
do you make this statement towards all of us or to a select few? I ask because I am curious. I have no problem with you disliking any character. Its a perogative any fan has. I do find your last statement a bit curious though.

Oh, and Mara Jade is anything BUT "perfect", my dear. It's not her fault? Blame the authors? She's a created character for crying out loud! She's not real. Please. . . .

If she is not real and its not a big deal kinda thing, why have you come up nicknames for her. Derrogatory names and such. It seems like its a very big deal to many about this fictional character. I happen to support your right to bash any character you wish. Although there are many times I do not see the point. Up until not long ago most of my posts were in debate form with a few on here. I enjoyed asking them questions and getting their opinions. It did help bring to light this character which is so controversial. I still plan on discussing this character with others and even once this thread has been taken down I hope to still talk to people in the other threads.

OWLC

edit: Look guys, its as plain as the nose on your faces (vitrually speaking of course) that you have absolutely no desire to "understand" why we feel the way we feel, but rather want to simply continue to "logically" bash our right to dislike, loathe and even despise the Bed Spread.

I have never bashed your right to dislike this character. I have never said you have no right to dislike Mara. All I attempt is to point things out, maybe I am wrong when I do this and if I am I happily enjoy someone pointing it out to me.

 

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