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 Date Posted: 1/21/06 7:55am Subject: Example of uncertainty? - Date Edited: 3/4/06 3:41am (1 edits total) Edited By: Ender_Sai
I started this thread in the YJCC. It started a little light, but now we're talking about implications with illegal wiretaps, Muslim Community influences and other such topics.

I believe this is a good example of uncertainty. Read the thread ... where should it go? It seems to have discussion that would thrive in both The Senate and obviously the JCC.

 

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 Date Posted: 1/21/06 11:35am Subject: RE: Example of uncertainty?
This might be a good test for the two weeks per forum suggestion (keeping it in YJCC for two weeks, then transferring it to the Senate for two weeks, etc., etc.).

 

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Date Posted: 1/21/06 1:01pm Subject: RE: Example of uncertainty?
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This might be a good test for the two weeks per forum suggestion (keeping it in YJCC for two weeks, then transferring it to the Senate for two weeks, etc., etc.).

I actually love that idea.

 

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 Date Posted: 1/21/06 5:12pm Subject: RE: Example of uncertainty?
I would say one week rather than two, given the high turnover in the YJCC versus low turnover in the Senate.

Two week sin YJCC may be too much to sustain the move, if you get what I mean.

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 Date Posted: 1/22/06 11:12am Subject: RE: Example of uncertainty?
Yeah, you can move it between Forum to Forum ... but it might lose it's attention.

I was thinking about this and maybe the biggest difference I see in The Senate and The JCC is not the maturity of the conversations or even the users; but the creation of threads. We can all agree the JCC is extremely liberal when it comes to creating pretty much whatever thread you want. But The Senate, even though I don't know the exact rules, seems to be conservative when allowing the creation of threads. Ender or Mr.44 correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I could've made a "[bin Laden] 'It's only a matter of time'" thread in The Senate. Maybe it's this sort of limiting that makes these two places so different. If I thought it was allowed, I would've made that thread in The Senate and not the YJCC because that would be my initial reaction on where it belongs.

Agree? Disagree? Is The Senate a conservative Republican society and the JCC a liberal Democratic society? tongue

 

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 Date Posted: 1/22/06 3:12pm Subject: RE: Example of uncertainty?
I prefer to say The Senate is like the BBC, YJCC like FOX News...

//runs

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 Date Posted: 1/22/06 6:48pm Subject: RE: Example of uncertainty?
To the best of my knowledge, you've always needed a little more than just a news piece to constitute a thread in the Senate. Unless that has changed recently?

 

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 Date Posted: 1/22/06 7:58pm Subject: RE: Example of uncertainty?
News piece plus some analysis. You can't simply copy and paste - you have to put some thought into the larger repercussions and meanings.

 

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 Date Posted: 1/23/06 6:44am Subject: RE: Example of uncertainty?
So is that what my thread would be?

Maybe The Senate can obtain more traffic if allowed to contain recent news articles. I noticed The Senate has more "Official Threads" where all the little topics can be directed too. Well what if the rules were lightened up a bit to allow news articles pertaining to current events? I mean, news articles that are worthy to talk about and will provide lively conversations, like my thread in the JCC.

 

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 Date Posted: 1/23/06 4:32pm Subject: RE: Example of uncertainty?
I agree. Large official threads are indeed not very inviting. But neither is redundancy. It's the fine line between the two that the JCC walks. As social interaction cannot be controlled, the JCC has alot of gray areas. Which in this case causes political discussion and whatnot to spawn naturally and spontaneously. An article is posted, and discussion slowly shifts from the specific topic at hand towards the bigger picture, and eventually the same old debate is waged until the thread simply dies out, and the arguement is transfered to the next thread.

It's that kind of vibe that the Senate needs to tap into some more.

 
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 Date Posted: 1/23/06 9:58pm Subject: RE: Example of uncertainty?
I wholeheartedly agree. Ender, I've been checking out the Senate more as I said I would, and the major thing that I dislike about it is the long threads. It's very difficult to just jump into a thread that's been going for so long.

 
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 Date Posted: 1/23/06 10:02pm Subject: RE: Example of uncertainty?
I think that basically validates what I said in a past Senate FG about lengthy threads and how it's important to periodically restart them.

 

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 Date Posted: 1/23/06 11:53pm Subject: RE: Example of uncertainty?
Yes, the long thread. They are very intimidating,. Many people might not want to read it all the way to see if a certain topic has been discussed or everything they wanted to post has been posted. Restarting long threads is the way to go.

 

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 Date Posted: 1/24/06 1:22am Subject: RE: Example of uncertainty?
Also not having one large thread for a large topic is a good idea. Having multiple, smaller topics for smaller areas of a big topic makes it easier for people to jump in, I think. Sure, you get overlap, occasional redundancy, but what is worse? No users or redundancy?

 
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 Date Posted: 1/24/06 6:18am Subject: RE: Example of uncertainty? - Date Edited: 1/24/06 7:02am (1 edits total) Edited By: ObiWan506
Good discussion. I'm glad I brought this up as it appears to be one of the main points of difference between the JCC and The Senate.

I like the idea of restarting long, old threads. I also like the idea that you should become more open to threads about news articles as well. The JCC houses them, I don't see why The Senate can't house them either. When creating a thread based solely on one source of discussion, a news article, the discussion becomes more specific and more detailed. Which is what The Senate needs to use in order to counter their long, general threads.

 

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 Date Posted: 1/24/06 7:26am Subject: RE: Example of uncertainty?
ahem...

epic 1/11 4:58am posted:
b) the fact a lot of the topics contained within these broad groups have been already previously discussed by previous generations. this means that, firstly, people who have already discussed such things won't really be bothered to do so again and secondly, new people entering the forum will be intimidated by the threads, feel like they've got nothing left to add -- but most importantly, have no chance to build an 'active' discussion with their current peers.


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2. to perhaps re-begin age-old discussions that could be re-discussed with a 'new' populace that may see them and think they can contribute. (you could link to the previous discussion if you wanted)


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although i like the idea of having 'sub-section' type threads, not just ones that are all-encomposing.

 
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