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Author Topic: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
Date Posted: 11/4 5:53pm Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
Dayum.....I mean...wow....they really improved their graphical capabilities. After so many three ship "fleets" the invasion force was impressive enough but the battle....


Well, not much else to say about this episode, so here are some nit picks.
1) They are gunships people. Not sissy get blown out of the sky ships. I mean, they won the first battle of Geonosis pretty much single-handily.
2) The bit about counting kills felt really out of place after seeing so many men die. Especially when you consider their counts probably included Geonosisians, which are sentient beings.
3) On that note...using flamthrowers on sentient beings? Not very nice guys, are you? Actually, I guess this isn't too much of a complaint, but I can't help but thinking that they never could have gotten away with it if the Geonosisians looked more like humans, and that kind of cognitive dissonance bugs me.

Wait, I forgot-Waxer and Boil-yeah!

 

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Date Posted: 11/4 5:57pm Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
Rogue_Follower posted:
Did I hear Cody say he wasn't at the original Battle of Geonosis? doh!

Other than that, though, this was a decent episode. The catacombs scenes reminded me of Republic Commando, which is good.

Wait---was it ever explicitly stated Cody saw action at Geonosis?

 

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Date Posted: 11/4 5:58pm Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
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3) On that note...using flamthrowers on sentient beings? Not very nice guys, are you? Actually, I guess this isn't too much of a complaint, but I can't help but thinking that they never could have gotten away with it if the Geonosisians looked more like humans, and that kind of cognitive dissonance bugs me.


Nice. tongue


But yeah, the Geonosians are foul barbaric heathens and their filth must be eradicated from the rest of the galaxy.

 

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Date Posted: 11/4 6:01pm Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed) - Date Edited: 11/4 6:05pm (1 edits total) Edited By: MercenaryAce
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MercenaryAce posted:
3) On that note...using flamthrowers on sentient beings? Not very nice guys, are you? Actually, I guess this isn't too much of a complaint, but I can't help but thinking that they never could have gotten away with it if the Geonosisians looked more like humans, and that kind of cognitive dissonance bugs me.


Nice. tongue


But yeah, the Geonosians are foul barbaric heathens and their filth must be eradicated from the rest of the galaxy.

1) Completely unintentional.
2) sad Why so racist?

Bly posted:
Rogue_Follower posted:
Did I hear Cody say he wasn't at the original Battle of Geonosis? doh!

Other than that, though, this was a decent episode. The catacombs scenes reminded me of Republic Commando, which is good.

Wait---was it ever explicitly stated Cody saw action at Geonosis?

Yeah...I mean, I had to go look it up on wookiepedia but apparently something mentioned him leading a platoon on Geonosis.

EDIT: There wasn't much point about that Dorin battle was there? It didn't even last long enough (off screen) to keep Anakin from the first episode. And seeing a space battle of that scale would have been nice too.

 

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Date Posted: 11/4 6:32pm Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
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Bly posted:
Rogue_Follower posted:
Did I hear Cody say he wasn't at the original Battle of Geonosis? doh!

Other than that, though, this was a decent episode. The catacombs scenes reminded me of Republic Commando, which is good.

Wait---was it ever explicitly stated Cody saw action at Geonosis?

Yeah...I mean, I had to go look it up on wookiepedia but apparently something mentioned him leading a platoon on Geonosis.

A platoon? Jesus, he must have really busted his way up through the ranks...that'd be like me joining the Army as a Lt and making full-bird Colonel within the same year...it doesn't seem too feasible to me.

 

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Date Posted: 11/4 6:36pm Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
Impressive episode. Easily one of the best yet. applause

Quite a vicious battle. Admiral Yularen and a sizable fleet show us (around six VenStar's and ten or more Acclamator-class assault ships) and proceeds to invade Geonosis. One thing I really liked about this episode was that the characters acknowledge the battle is far larger then what is shown on screen. We are only seeing one portion of the larger invasion, which is something that Yularen affirms when he mentions he has no fighter support to spare due to battles on other parts of the planet.

Ki-Adi-Mundi really shined in this episode. I love that guy, so seeing him portrayed as a powerful Jedi Master and a stalwart warrior was real nice.

Y-wings. Gotta freaking love those Y-wings. They perform very well in the battle, plus they utilize bombs like in the old Rogue Squadron games! grin

The violence shown in this episode was quite suprising. Geonosians are a sentient species, so seeing them burned alive by Clone troopers with flamethrowers was very suprising. I am wondering whether the creators of TCW viewed the Geonosians as simple bugs OR if they were deliberately showing the first real non-battle droid casualties of the series.

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Date Posted: 11/4 6:53pm Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
Bly posted:
A platoon? Jesus, he must have really busted his way up through the ranks...that'd be like me joining the Army as a Lt and making full-bird Colonel within the same year...it doesn't seem too feasible to me.

He commanded a corps at Geonosis-- he was a commander from the outset, although at the time he was just CC-2224. He didn't get dubbed Cody until he got pulled out of the frontlines and sent to Alpha's School for Commanding Clones.

This is all EU-canon, though, of course; TV-canon seems to be rather different.

 

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Date Posted: 11/4 6:56pm Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
Not entirely sure about the Geonosians. It was a bit surprising that they did show Geonosians being sliced by lightsabers and being burnt by flamethrowers (not sure what the point of flamethrowers was, rather than just normal blasters though, despite how cool it looks). Although Geonosians are one of the less humanoid species we've seen so far. The original Clone Wars mini-series got around huge casualties by mainly have droids or faceless clones, and Geonosians... just look like big bugs. Its their homeworld, so it makes sense to see them in such huge numbers, but not entirely sure if there's any deeper meaning there in them getting killed off like that.

Anyway, yeah, pretty epic episode, makes up for Senate Spy mostly. And while its friendly bickering, having the Jedi keeping track of their kills (though most are probably droid kills) is slightly... disquieting. I just wish Obi-wan had done more, it looks like he'll be sitting things out for awhile.

And yeah, great to see Waxer and Boil again. Its nice to see some other clones rather than just Rex or Cody show up again.

Also very happy to see the Y-wings as bombers, they look great. Although I sometimes wish we could see more Clone Wars fighters, like the ARC animated. Sure, they're not supposed to show up till later... but its not like they care about canon that much on this show. The battles look awesome, and hope this isn't the last large scale battle of season two.

 

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 Date Posted: 11/4 7:58pm Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
Crazy episode- loved both seeing freaking Y-Wings in planetary action (why the hell didn't we ahve them in the prequels?) as well as Rex's awesome point-blank stealthy-like-ninja Droideka kill.

Episode guide is updated too- this was production episode 207. And Kenobi's Nexu illustration-adorned gunship says "BAD KITTY" on it. laugh


-201: The Hidden Enemy
-118/TCW: The New Padawan
-101/TCW: Castle of Doom
-103/TCW: Castle of Deception
-104/TCW: Castle of Salvation
-102: Downfall of a Droid
-106: Duel of the Droids
-108: Ambush
-107: Rising Malevolence
-109: Shadow of Malevolence
-111: Destroy Malevolence
-105: Bombad Jedi
-110: Cloak of Darkness
-112: Lair of Grievous
-114: Rookies
-116: Dooku Captured
-120: The Gungan General
-115: Storm Over Ryloth
-117: Innocents of Ryloth
-119: Liberty on Ryloth
-122: Jedi Crash
-124: Defenders of Peace
-125: Trespass
-126: Blue Shadow Virus
-202: Mystery of a Thousand Moons
-204: Hostage Crisis
-123: Holocron Heist
-113: Cargo of Doom
-203: Children of the Force
-205: Senate Spy
-207: Landing at Point Rain

 

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Date Posted: 11/6 4:47am Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
I'm not sure the Geonosians are supposed to count as "sentient" that much. They might have a hivemind, and from the commentary in AOTC it seems clear to me they are not "people" and not intended to be.

 

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Date Posted: 11/6 4:55am Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed) - Date Edited: 11/6 4:57am (1 edits total) Edited By: Barriss_Coffee
Liliedhe posted:
I'm not sure the Geonosians are supposed to count as "sentient" that much. They might have a hivemind, and from the commentary in AOTC it seems clear to me they are not "people" and not intended to be.



I have problems with the "sentient" business. Just because they're in a hive mind, or that even *some* of them are in a hive mind (Poggle's organized revolt as a slave seems to suggest that), doesn't mean they're not sentient. They just have a different type of "sentience" than we do.

There seems to be a lack of will to try to understand the "other" side (emphasis on other) within the Republic... and within the Jedi Order.

 

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Date Posted: 11/6 5:42am Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
They are bugs. They are not Killiks, who are clearly ambivalent.

The Geonosian idea of a good time is to watch people being torn apart by monsters. They build killing machines and weapons for the Separatists. They develop the Death Star. They jump on you and try to tear out your throat. What is there to misunderstand?

I'm not saying "always chaotic evil" is an interesting or balanced way to characterize a species. It's just clear that the Geonosians are this.

Besides, they would have been left well alone (they were not exterminated after the first battle or anything), but they decided to reenter the war by building new killing machines, and they clearly are combatants. What is there to not understand or feel bad about?

 

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Date Posted: 11/6 6:32am Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
Liliedhe posted:
They are bugs. They are not Killiks, who are clearly ambivalent.

The Geonosian idea of a good time is to watch people being torn apart by monsters. They build killing machines and weapons for the Separatists. They develop the Death Star. They jump on you and try to tear out your throat. What is there to misunderstand?

I'm not saying "always chaotic evil" is an interesting or balanced way to characterize a species. It's just clear that the Geonosians are this.

Besides, they would have been left well alone (they were not exterminated after the first battle or anything), but they decided to reenter the war by building new killing machines, and they clearly are combatants. What is there to not understand or feel bad about?


There's another group I can think of that thinks it's a blast to watch people get torn up in arenas, think killing machines and other weapons are badass and should be mass-produced, and even built the Death Star before the Geonosians ever thought of it.

As for re-entering the war, I'm not going to blame them (although I will question whose bright idea it was to rebuild the factories on Geonosis). They were beaten into submission, but did not completely submit. They've got a rebellious streak, and its obvious they feel strongly about the side they're fighting for. I might not agree with them, but I respect them for the tenacity.

 

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Date Posted: 11/6 8:17am Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
I mean, you are right, they are enemy combatants, and I have no problem with the jedi killing them...but since jedi are supposed to value all life you think they would be a little more solemn about it.

Still, I wouldn't call them Always Chaotic Evil. Let's not forget that they do join the Rebel Alliance later, you meet some sympathetic ones in galaxies, that they joined the Republic peacefully and made worker droids for a long time until Palpatine back Poogle's coup. And while it is all the rage to make bugs have hive minds, probably due to a serious misunderstanding of real insects, I have never seen anything to say the Geos are one and from what I understand their castes are more social than biological (other than the presence of wings).

Yes, they have arena fights...but I get the feeling that is because of their culture is based off Rome (just look at Poogle's armor). Matter of fact, what I get from reading about the geos is that consists of decadent elite oppressing a hard working lower caste.

Anyway, I was thinking of the flamethrowers, and aside from being nasty weapons....what use are they against a largely droid army? I mean, why even bother?

 

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