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Date Posted: 11/3 6:10pm Subject: Election Day 2009 - Date Edited: 11/3 6:11pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Asterix_of_Gaul
Nothing brands people as extremists like Anita Dunn claiming that one of her favourite political philosophers is Mao Tse Tung...



 

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Date Posted: 11/3 6:14pm Subject: Election Day 2009
A key difference is that most of the Democratic base would not agree.

Most of the Republican base as it is today agrees with Limbaugh/Beck/Palin etc.

Far more of the Republican base resembles the right wing fringe than the Democratic base resembles the left wing fringe.

 

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Date Posted: 11/3 6:15pm Subject: Election Day 2009
Also, she was being sarcastic.

 

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Date Posted: 11/3 6:15pm Subject: Election Day 2009
KnightWriter posted:
A key difference is that most of the Democratic base would not agree.

Most of the Republican base as it is today agrees with Limbaugh/Beck/Palin etc.

Far more of the Republican base resembles the right wing fringe than the Democratic base resembles the left wing fringe.

Then I'm not sure what you're talking about really constitutes as "fringe".

 

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Date Posted: 11/3 6:17pm Subject: Election Day 2009
Lowbacca, he's probably referring to the fact than less than one fifth of Americans self-identify as Republican anymore.

 

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Date Posted: 11/3 6:18pm Subject: Election Day 2009
Jabba-wocky posted:
Also, she was being sarcastic.


Really?

I got the sense that she was making a joke about the juxtaposition of Mother Teresa and Mao.

She later goes into an awful lot of positive detail about Mao...

 

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Date Posted: 11/3 6:24pm Subject: Election Day 2009
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The use of the phrase ‘favorite political philosophers’ was intended as irony, but clearly the effort fell flat.

 

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Date Posted: 11/3 6:40pm Subject: Election Day 2009
Jabba-wocky posted:
Anita Dunn posted:
The use of the phrase ‘favorite political philosophers’ was intended as irony, but clearly the effort fell flat.



Yes "irony" was more the word I was looking for. Perhaps it fell flat, however, because she continued to discuss Mao throughout her speech and seemed to praise him.

 

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Date Posted: 11/3 6:54pm Subject: Election Day 2009
Polls say that 60% of voters in New Jersey and 55% of voters in Virginia say Obama is NOT a factor in how they vote today. Obama's poll numbers are actually higher in Virginia than they were a year ago on election day.

Also, Republican governor candidate Chris Christie talks about how much he loves and supports Obama. Republican governors tend to be more moderate in general than their Congressional counterparts.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/03/exit-poll-obama-not-a-big-factor-in-virginia/

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/03/exit-polls-in-new-jersey-obama-not-a-major-factor/



This CNN page shows the top 10 elections to look for:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/02/races.to.watch/index.html


In my opinion, the Governor's races are not that important, since they are more local and do not affect the rest of the country. The upstate NY race is interesting, but it won't be a gamechanger either way, except for exposing fractures in the GOP already. The thing to watch for tonight is if Maine upholds gay marriage or not. Houston may also elect its first gay mayor, and Washington state may allow domestic partnerships. So in this off-year election cycle, it seems like gay rights issues are the focus. The governorships in New Jersey and Virginia do not matter, and the upstate New York race is just an interesting sideshow. That's my opinion, anyways.

 

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Date Posted: 11/3 6:58pm Subject: Election Day 2009
Lowbacca_1977 posted:
Drac39 posted:
Let Limbaugh and Palin speak all they like. Let them think this is a victory for them. The more they talk the more people will see them as the extremeists they are.

Yeah, nothing brands people as extremists like winning elections.


LOL!

 

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Date Posted: 11/3 7:01pm Subject: Election Day 2009
Jabba-wocky posted:
Lowbacca, he's probably referring to the fact than less than one fifth of Americans self-identify as Republican anymore.

20% isn't fringe. Nor is a sizable chunk of 20%. And several of the articles put it as "lowest since 1983" which leads me to wonder how low it was then. Anything over around 10%, I don't really think is fringe territory.

 

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Date Posted: 11/3 7:15pm Subject: Election Day 2009
Exit polls indicate in New Jersey that people were most concerned about corruption and high taxes. That doesn't bode well for Corzine.

Also, it's still early, but if Republicans sweep in Virginia and New Jersey, and if Conservative Doug Hoffman wins in upstate New York, I bet moderate Democrats are going to look at this and maybe think twice about voting in favor of the healthcare bill.

 

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Date Posted: 11/3 7:17pm Subject: Election Day 2009 - Date Edited: 11/3 7:18pm (1 edits total) Edited By: The Musical Jedi
DarthLassic007 posted:
Exit polls indicate in New Jersey that people were most concerned about corruption and high taxes. That doesn't bode well for Corzine.

Also, it's still early, but if Republicans sweep in Virginia and New Jersey, and if Conservative Doug Hoffman wins in upstate New York, I bet moderate Democrats are going to look at this and maybe think twice about voting in favor of the healthcare bill.



Why? Because not voting for a Democrat in a gubernatorial campaign means that you're against the healthcare bill? I'd hate to burst your definitive little bubble, but I voted for Obama and Mitch Daniels in the last election, while supporting a public health care option. It's not really as cut and dried as you're trying to make it.

 

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Date Posted: 11/3 7:18pm Subject: Election Day 2009 - Date Edited: 11/3 7:19pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Game3525
DarthLassic007 posted:
Exit polls indicate in New Jersey that people were most concerned about corruption and high taxes. That doesn't bode well for Corzine.

Also, it's still early, but if Republicans sweep in Virginia and New Jersey, and if Conservative Doug Hoffman wins in upstate New York, I bet moderate Democrats are going to look at this and maybe think twice about voting in favor of the healthcare bill.



Not really, healthcare wasn't a major issue among the voters. When it all comes down to it these elections have less to do with Obama then it does with local issues.

 

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Date Posted: 11/3 7:19pm Subject: Election Day 2009
DarthLassic007 posted:
Exit polls indicate in New Jersey that people were most concerned about corruption and high taxes. That doesn't bode well for Corzine.

Also, it's still early, but if Republicans sweep in Virginia and New Jersey, and if Conservative Doug Hoffman wins in upstate New York, I bet moderate Democrats are going to look at this and maybe think twice about voting in favor of the healthcare bill.



Why?

Corzine is tied to Wall Street, high taxes, and corruption. Even Bloomberg is fighting for his life, 1% ahead of his competition right now. Deeds was a bad candidate. The whole upstate NY race is interesting, but if Hoffmn wins it will likely backfire, since he is unaware of local issues and doesn't even live in the district. The voters say their choices have nothing to do with Obama, or healthcare, and everything to do with the economy. Governors don't really matter on the national level anyways. What in the world does it have to do with Healthcare?

Oh, and a district in California looks likely to go blue for the first time since California joined the union. But no one is talking about that.

 

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